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Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: Should the Grizzly Bear in Greater Yellowstone be Delist

I am strongly against delisting. Beyond the money grab element that vain trophy hunters, "sportsman" etc. will handsomely pay those to facilitate removing many grizzlies that are already facing enormous habitat loss and other human and natural pressures, I fail to see any worthy explanation for vanity shooting/killing and further pressuring the most iconic species almost wiped out to extinction not that long ago. I'm not the least bit anti hunting for legal "game." I don't think anyone except those with big special financial interests and those willing to pay multiple thousands of dollars, consider or will ever accept the grizzly bear as "game."
IMO "Delisting" is simply a soft tempering term for nothing more than vanity trophy killing and lining the pockets of special interest groups and individuals.....all for the tremendous loss and destruction this would create.
Woe to the grizzly and other iconic animals that take a foot across the invisible YNP boundaries.......sadly Scarface/Bear 211 paid the price with his life, even while still federally protected. Result? We all lost, as well as the pro delisting special interests....assuming no big money changed hands. JUST SAY NO!

Statistics: Posted by TNBob — Sun May 01, 2016 10:30 pm


Author: TNBob
Posted: May 2, 2016, 5:30 am

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: Should the Grizzly Bear in Greater Yellowstone be Delist

JohnnyB wrote:
I'm entirely calm,


JohnnyB wrote:
Dave, I truly pity anybody that has to listen to your incessant ignorant narrow minded tripe in the real world.


JohnnyB wrote:
My proverbial !@#$ing gawd gentlemen.


JohnnyB wrote:
I'm entirely calm,


Why do you feel like you have to push your opinion so hard when you can't take the criticism? It's ironic that you are calling Dave narrow minded.

Honestly though I think "troll" is a bit of a stretch here, maybe just opinionated.

When I think of brown bear, I think AK brown bear, which is much larger than what's in YS. So maybe you could save my life by calling them all brown bears!

Statistics: Posted by atw527 — Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:17 pm


Author: atw527
Posted: May 1, 2016, 3:17 am

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: Should the Grizzly Bear in Greater Yellowstone be Delist

Well in the hopes of saving uncounted Yellowstone shutterbug lives here's a little test. https://fishandgame.idaho.gov/public/ed ... tion/exam/
So you can bone up on your instant ID of Ursus arctos

Statistics: Posted by guang — Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:27 pm


Author: guang
Posted: April 30, 2016, 2:27 am

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: Should the Grizzly Bear in Greater Yellowstone be Delist

I'm entirely calm, asking for a simple courtesy and I'm a troll? Dave, I truly pity anybody that has to listen to your incessant ignorant narrow minded tripe in the real world.

With all due respect I'm not asking for what is "correct," I'm asking for what might save someone's life. My proverbial !@#$ing gawd gentlemen.

Statistics: Posted by JohnnyB — Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:02 pm


Author: JohnnyB
Posted: April 29, 2016, 11:02 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: Should the Grizzly Bear in Greater Yellowstone be Delist

My advice: Don't feed the trolls...

Statistics: Posted by Colorado_Dave — Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:49 pm


Author: Colorado_Dave
Posted: April 29, 2016, 10:49 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: Should the Grizzly Bear in Greater Yellowstone be Delist

My point is that you are firmly asking him to "PLEASE stop calling Grizzlies Brown Bears" and "as I said before..." like you have some sort of authority on how we are supposed to identify species on this forum.

Grizzly Bear might be more correct, but Brown Bear is not incorrect.

Calm down.

Statistics: Posted by atw527 — Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:25 pm


Author: atw527
Posted: April 29, 2016, 8:25 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: Should the Grizzly Bear in Greater Yellowstone be Delist

ATW,

WTF? I've asked for a simple courtesy in the name of public safety. A "brown bear" in our part of Greater Yellowstone is almost always said in reference to a Black, not Grizzly bear. People have a hard enough time differentiating blackies from grizzlies as it is. For the life of me I can't fathom why anyone would want people on or off trail to potentially be less safe however long or trivial you might perceive the odds.

As to subspecies Grizzlies, having much different food sources in the continental interior, have certainly demonstrated a far greater tendency for predatory behavior when it comes to humans as opposed to the Brown Bears on the coast that have far easier animal protein food sources. If you don't "think" coastal Brown Bears and interior Grizzly Bears are dramatically different animals even though they are the same species I encourage you to REALLY rethink the nonchalant attitude.

In the first related post in this thread where the request was first made I acknowledged all bears deserve respect, I'm simply asking for something to alleviate any possible confusion that could foster a very negative variable.

Peace,

John

Statistics: Posted by JohnnyB — Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:12 pm


Author: JohnnyB
Posted: April 29, 2016, 8:12 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: Should the Grizzly Bear in Greater Yellowstone be Delist

JohnnyB wrote:
Guang,

Would you PLEASE stop calling Grizzlies Brown Bears. As I said before they are the same species but people oftne speak of blackies around here as Brown Bears. Please, this is a safety concern and if you think that's just to much to ask then oh well, go through life as a posterior orifice.


The scientific term seems to be North American Brown Bear. It's your opinion I guess if you want it only called by it's subspecies. No reason to get upset when people don't agree with you.

If you want to talk about a more serious miss-naming crime, how about the "Grand Tetons". :lol:

Statistics: Posted by atw527 — Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:20 am


Author: atw527
Posted: April 29, 2016, 3:20 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: Should the Grizzly Bear in Greater Yellowstone be Delist

Sorry Johny, how about if I just call them Ursus arctos? I'm not sure many can tell them apart anyway, a wildlife biologist shot one by mistake as I'm remembering, back a couple years ago. Maybe if they gave them different colored collars.

Statistics: Posted by guang — Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:39 am


Author: guang
Posted: April 29, 2016, 2:39 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: Should the Grizzly Bear in Greater Yellowstone be Delist

Guang,

Would you PLEASE stop calling Grizzlies Brown Bears. As I said before they are the same species but people oftne speak of blackies around here as Brown Bears. Please, this is a safety concern and if you think that's just to much to ask then oh well, go through life as a posterior orifice.

Statistics: Posted by JohnnyB — Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:07 pm


Author: JohnnyB
Posted: April 28, 2016, 11:07 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: Should the Grizzly Bear in Greater Yellowstone be Delist

An interagency team of the finest wildlife biologists in the world and working for decades decides a brown bear population around Yellowstone is fully recovered and nine years afterwards they move to change the listing. Meanwhile an online nature snapshot sharing group decides differently.

Gee, who ya gonna believe.

http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/41688/0

Statistics: Posted by guang — Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:14 pm


Author: guang
Posted: April 28, 2016, 10:14 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: Should the Grizzly Bear in Greater Yellowstone be Delist

Hayden Valley Girl wrote:
We all knew who was behind the de-listing to begin with, definitely not science. At least they call themselves what they are, sportsmen, and not hunters. I call them a few other things, but I can't post that here.



On the contrary, I don't consider what they're doing to be very sporting at all.

Statistics: Posted by RikWriter — Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:00 pm


Author: RikWriter
Posted: April 28, 2016, 8:00 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: Should the Grizzly Bear in Greater Yellowstone be Delist

We all knew who was behind the de-listing to begin with, definitely not science. At least they call themselves what they are, sportsmen, and not hunters. I call them a few other things, but I can't post that here.

Statistics: Posted by Hayden Valley Girl — Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:00 am


Author: Hayden Valley Girl
Posted: April 28, 2016, 6:00 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: Should the Grizzly Bear in Greater Yellowstone be Delist

Steve wrote:
RikWriter wrote:
I think that's a rock.

OK.
I just figured one bizarre response deserved another.



It didn't seem bizarre to me. It was a well framed photo, capturing all the faux bravado of the self-styled Wyoming variety of redneck.

Statistics: Posted by RikWriter — Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:24 am


Author: RikWriter
Posted: April 28, 2016, 5:24 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: Should the Grizzly Bear in Greater Yellowstone be Delist

RikWriter wrote:
I think that's a rock.

OK.
I just figured one bizarre response deserved another.

Statistics: Posted by Steve — Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:37 am


Author: Steve
Posted: April 28, 2016, 4:37 pm

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