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Posted: July 30, 2014, 7:06 am
One last thing before the next diaper change...

I can't tell you how awesome it is that you complain mainly about NPS maintenance people. Idling engines, too many people on work crews, driving multiple vehicles without carpooling, safety, etc.

From my experience, the NPS maintenance people are largely made up of older gentlemen, veterans and they were typically conservative in their political stances. Not in any way the environmentalists you make them out to be.

Statistics: Posted by DanS — Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:06 am

Posted: July 30, 2014, 6:53 am
Colorado_Dave wrote:
Good points Larry, but now do everyone a favor and ignore this clown like 98% of the members of this forum do!

I am sorry to see PandKB depart because of his odd behavior...

I'm a 2%-er! :lol:

Colorado Dave,
If PandKB truly left from this forum simply because of PD, that is sad. He was one of the quality members.

Statistics: Posted by DanS — Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:53 pm

Posted: July 30, 2014, 6:51 am
larryrainey wrote:
Yes I am. I think there are many ways to be involved in reform. The folks that work for the gov. in the park are merely accepting workers benefits just like you are I with our jobs. I don't know many people who voluntarily say "Hey, I'm sorry I have a benefit that is offered with my job. I will turn this down because some people think this benefit is not right". If that was the case no one would have benefits, period. I really think, with the burning desire you have to see some things changed, that there is a better way to achieve some results. The people you target on here probably simply just ignore your post. If you post to make yourself feel better then have at it. If you post because the park people pi--ed you off several ago and you are making sure no one cuts them any slack have at it. If you are truly trying to see the park opened earlier, rules obeyed by all, and save the earth then there are probably some different avenues you could travel to achieve better results. I really get the impression you feel that anyone who works for the gov. is worthless. If this is the case you are a very prejudiced person. As in any profession there are many different levels of employee dedication. Many good ones and a few not so good. As I mentioned in an earlier post you seem so eccentric in your post that most readers or powers that be are not going to pay any attention to you. Perhaps you might try some different channels and have better success. Good luck with your mission! LR

Larry you hit the nail on the head here.
I've tried to explain to PD that if he was in the business of real reform, then complaining on a public forum of YNP fans isn't going to get it done. Also, he is so focused on criticism that he lacks any balance and simply looks like a complainer. This obscures the points that he presents that DO have merit .

A story analogy, if I may...

I have a buddy that just bought a home in Boz Angeles here. He's about 30. For sake of argument let's call him Mark. An older guy, neighbor from across the street, approached he and his wife as they were moving in & introduced himself. We'll call him Jack. Jack is originally from NY. Lived in FL for a long time. Then moved out to Montana. He stated bluntly that he has more "life experience" and has been around longer than my "Johnny-come-lately friend Mark. He proceeded to explain to Mark how his satellite dish was in the wrong spot (which it wasn't), his fence was against HOA design laws (had already been approved). He complained about dogs being off leash (they aren't), and how other neighbors have their landscaping (not his business). He repeatedly BLASTS the HOA people on all his so called complaints about the neighbors and bemoans what he sees as the lack of enforcement of all the HOA rules.

Jack complains so much and about everything that no one takes him seriously. He is simply viewed now as a malcontent. Now to draw this thing full circle, doesn't Jack possibly remind you a little of someone here?

The moral of the story is if you want change, you have to go about it the right way. Repeated complaints about everything doesn't get you anywhere. You just become the malcontent outlier. It's no wonder that PD mentioned that the only time his letters to the NPS brass get responses is when he gets his local elected officials involved. Going about it the way PD is, will only get him ignored.

Statistics: Posted by DanS — Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:51 pm

Posted: July 30, 2014, 6:37 am
Photodude wrote:
And the administrative travelers are exempt from the gate closures in the "exclusive jurisdiction" known as YP, in that they can travel - and stop - to/at Le Hardy Rapids and photograph the bears on the buffalo carcasses in the river before the gates are open to the public, even though the road in the "exclusive jurisdiction" was plowed with public money and used for their personal consumption, right?

Your understanding of admin travel is flawed. Admin travel simply means employees can get into closed areas while heading to work at job sites in closed areas. For example, in early season, Fisheries people leave Mammoth to spend the day setting up at Lake before the roads officially open. Been there, done that. If they see a bear on a carcass while they drive by... then, yeah, they might stop and snap a picture or two from the car. Then venture on to their normal work day. They aren't out there like photographers would be for hours soaking up the opportunity and somehow getting one photo op over on ole PD.

Trust me, in the handful of times I used admin travel status, I was hustling back and forth from Lake to Mammoth on work duties. If a wolf crossed the road did I slow down and look? Absolutely. Did I have the time to do anything but to remark, "well that was cool, wish I had time to photograph that." And then move on? No.

Getting to see some of those things during admin travel is nice. But not enjoyable in the way you think it is. Imagine driving past a bear on one of your marathon drives to a job site you like to brag about. You can see it briefly and can't enjoy photographing it.

And the Mission 66 housing in the "exclusive jurisdiction" known as YP is sub-standard with respect to the ever-important carbon footprint, but that is OK because the federal employees in the business of resource protection of the 'exclusive jurisdiction" itself, are exempt from their excessive carbon consumption because they choose to work and reside - declare it their domicile, that is - in the "exclusive jurisdiction" known as YP, thereby exempting themselves from eco 'laws', morals, and standards, right?

Typical PD lose-lose situation here.

If the park tears down old structures and rebuilds modern ones they get criticized (new construction/too expensive). They keep the old ones, and are criticized (not energy efficient). They have buildings at all, criticized (habitat loss). They have people anywhere in the GYE (habitat loss), criticized again. What could these people ever do to make you not criticize them?

I honestly shudder to think what our National Park System would look like if you ran things.

Statistics: Posted by DanS — Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:37 pm

Posted: July 30, 2014, 6:33 am
Photodude wrote:
The federal employees residing in the "exclusive jurisdiction" known as Yellowstone Park - YP - are exempt from the Code of Federal Regulations too, right, in that they are exempt from the BBQs on the porches of their houses, yet across the street in the campground, park visitors must store their grills away in the locked trunk of their car.

As far as the BBQs go, this is about one of the only things I think you have any real point on, so I will say as I have a million times on here that on that point, I agree. NPS employees should set a better example because they know better. I equate this to those that complain about the vegetation damage from vehicles parking on the grass in the park, should know better, set a good example and not park on the grass.

And the "exclusive jurisdiction" known as YP is also exempt from the Americans with Disabilities Act - ADA - in that they do not have to clear the snow away from the HC parking space and doorway to the vault toilets, right? You do know that happens as often as you're out and about, right?

And here's where my agreement stops...
With the growing family I am out and about less often this year. From the photos you posted though... I have to point out you probably know less about YNP than you think you do.

Did ya take the time to get out of the A-Team van to check the toilet doors? From the pics you may not have been out there in peak summer season. Have you realized in the many generations you have been a YNP regular, not all vault toilets are unlocked year round? In fact, many aren't serviced and just kept locked in the shoulder seasons.

My guess is the ones you posted pictures of weren't open at all. Maybe even had a sign stating so on the door.

Statistics: Posted by DanS — Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:33 pm

Posted: July 30, 2014, 6:32 am
Photodude wrote:
YP prosecutor, Lee Pico, even went so far to say YP enforces Wyoming statutes all the time, specifically statutes pertaining to vehicles, such as improper registration and insurance. He told me he knows of no one driving around Mammoth with out of state plates. When I asked him specifically about DanW's plates, he said the superintendent choses to call SoDak his domicile. I told him Wyoming Statute does not allow for such an exemption. I then asked him to cite for me the federal law exempting its employees from such laws. He said he knew of no such statute.

So that is where I am coming from. If I am wrong, and there is a federal law exempting ppl from the law, please excuse me for I was only getting the information from federal employees.

So, one more time, PatB, cite me the federal statute - not some gobbledygook from a Washington b'Crat.

In the PD court of public forums it doesn't always appear that the innocent until proven guilty thing doesn't apply as we normally expect it too in the good ole US of A, but I still think the onus is on you to provide some proof that your claim is true. Either way though, and I will use my favorite Civil War quote here... I guess I simply do not care a "pinch of owl dung" if the superintendent of YNP has Wyoming plates or not.

Statistics: Posted by DanS — Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:32 pm

Posted: July 30, 2014, 6:30 am
Photodude wrote:
Sometimes I type a little too fast, hence some misspelled words. Sometimes I spell words wrong, prolly due to my public education.

Oh well, that explains it. I was interested in the potential new spelling and pronunciation.

I never thought of myself as a grammar and spelling whiz, however, even I know the word "that" is way over used especially by liberal young ppl. One can always tell.

So you can tell the political leanings of one simply by their frequent use of the word "that"?
I bet you're a hoot when interviewed for Jury Duty in Cody...
Can you also tell when people are guilty simply by looking at them?

Besides, there are too many Dans on the board.

Well, it is an awesome name.

Statistics: Posted by DanS — Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:30 pm

Posted: July 29, 2014, 7:03 pm

And within the outer boundaries of the "exclusive jurisdiction" known as Yellowstone, NPS employees are exempt from OSHA safety laws as well. They never have any accidents because they are oh so safe and, of course, exempt from accidents. Those OSHA regulations are for everyone else, larryrainey,


Mammoth-Norris Road, September 2011.


Statistics: Posted by Photodude — Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:03 pm

Posted: July 29, 2014, 6:46 pm

The inhabitants of the "exclusive jurisdiction" known as YP exempt themselves from their own laws and those of the Code of Federal Regulations the rest of us must follow.


Upper Mammoth NPS housing.

Do the bears know the law?


Statistics: Posted by Photodude — Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:46 am

Posted: July 29, 2014, 6:03 pm

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Statistics: Posted by Photodude — Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:03 am

Posted: July 29, 2014, 6:01 pm

Wyoming must 'follow' Wyoming law by funding the children of Mammoth, but the NPS does not have to follow federal law. Is that fair, larryrainey? What about the children in the wheel chairs?


Statistics: Posted by Photodude — Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:01 am

Posted: July 29, 2014, 5:47 pm

In the "exclusive jurisdiction" known as Yellowstone, is the NPS exempt from obeying all laws?


Statistics: Posted by Photodude — Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:47 am

Posted: July 29, 2014, 5:42 pm

Is ignoring ADA law a perk?


Statistics: Posted by Photodude — Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:42 am

Posted: July 29, 2014, 5:36 pm

Is not plow/shoveling out the restrooms considered a perk as well? Laziness, is that a perk?

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Statistics: Posted by Photodude — Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:36 am

Posted: July 29, 2014, 12:14 am
I'm learning CD!

Statistics: Posted by larryrainey — Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:14 pm

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