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Posted: October 22, 2014, 10:00 pm
Well put, CD. I agree completely and I don' think the points you make can be refuted.

I have no idea what Vince is trying to convey.

Statistics: Posted by NJMike — Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:00 pm


Posted: October 22, 2014, 7:02 pm
Finally !
That hunt should not be. It is the results of an extension of the park, in the 50s (according to the article).
The bottom line is that in a National Park we should not see any hunting (exept unbalanced ecosystem leading to overpopulation) nor overfeeding (unless the population is struggling).

That hunt could have been defended, at the time, by the non existence of wolves in GTNP. But the wolves reintroduction should have stopped automatically the hunt.

It should not be so complicated. The ecosystem is able to balance itself, unless you keep acting on it for private purposes.
In case you have too many elk, protect more the wolves and bears, don't overfeed.
In case you have a low wolves population, let the elk rebound, and the wolves will follow a few years later, trigging the cycle to go on by itself.

Statistics: Posted by Vince — Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:02 pm


Posted: October 22, 2014, 4:20 pm
http://www.jhnewsandguide.com/news/environmental/hunt-faces-court-battle/article_8c779ac8-f687-569f-9c3e-e2769f95e134.html
Not sure how I feel about this yet, but they raise some good points in the article. I look forward to see the outcome - whether that be some justification of the hunt that I am unaware of, or the opposite...

A couple of ironies that I see are:
Hunters and ranchers of Wyoming say their "elk herds are decimated due to wolves" yet they consider the elk population in and around the elk refuge to be way over objective - a refuge that is well within the heart of wolf country!

Also, why the feeding operation??? Seems that they are feeding them to maintain an overabundance?

I read recently that Chronic Wasting Disease has almost encroached on the elk refuge region as well - feeding operations just facilitate the spread of disease...

I especially appreciated the point in bold.


Grand Teton National Park’s one-of-a-kind annual elk hunt could some day cease to exist if two wildlife photographers prevail in federal court.
Jackson Hole residents Tim Mayo and Kent Nelson filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., Monday that aims to stop not only Grand Teton National Park’s now-underway elk hunt, but also the practice of feeding elk on public land in Northwest Wyoming.
The far-reaching claim is targeted at the National Park Service, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and Interior Department, and alleges violations of Grand Teton National Park’s enabling legislation, the Park Service’s foundational 1916 Organic Act, the National Environmental Policy Act and the Endangered Species Act.
The lawsuit, Nelson said Tuesday, has been two years in the making.
“You can’t live in this valley for long without realizing that the feeding and the [park] hunt are inextricably linked,” Nelson said in an interview. “They are also the basis of all kinds of problems, from disease, habitat disruption, etc.”
“It is the central issue in wildlife management in this area,” he said, “and it long ago became bureaucratically gridlocked, and so it remains a persistent policy problem that has been incapable of resolution.”

Statistics: Posted by Colorado_Dave — Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:20 am


Posted: October 22, 2014, 2:02 pm
Update: I asked my son who was working in Canyon if they had ever heard what happened to this young woman; he reported that she had committed suicide by hanging. Sad.

Statistics: Posted by Steve in the Library — Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:02 am


Posted: October 19, 2014, 11:37 pm
Back in 94, 95, I remember quite a few wolf mounts being brought in to put in shops for sale and I remember a few people were claiming they were "Yellowstone" wolves, which at that point in history, was not true, it was just shop keepers trying to make a buck, we get it up here in the shops around Glacier as well. I know a couple of shops down in that area that also have "Yellowstone" Grizzly bears, that were actually taken in Alaska.

Statistics: Posted by Dave Parker — Sun Oct 19, 2014 4:37 pm


Posted: October 19, 2014, 11:11 pm
Dave Parker wrote:
Connie wrote: (I know you'll take a swing at me for this statement, Dave, but that's how I felt.)


No I won't Connie, we each have our feelings, I am sorry it upset you, but if I remember right that is not a Yellowstone wolf, it has been there for quite a few years.

Dave

:)

Statistics: Posted by Connie — Sun Oct 19, 2014 4:11 pm


Posted: October 19, 2014, 9:12 pm
Connie wrote:
(I know you'll take a swing at me for this statement, Dave, but that's how I felt.)


No I won't Connie, we each have our feelings, I am sorry it upset you, but if I remember right that is not a Yellowstone wolf, it has been there for quite a few years.

Dave

Statistics: Posted by Dave Parker — Sun Oct 19, 2014 2:12 pm


Posted: October 19, 2014, 8:04 pm
Back in June while in Jackson, Wy., I was surprised to see beautiful stuffed and mounted wolves priced for several thousand dollars. I was fighting back tears as I walked out of the store. (I know you'll take a swing at me for this statement, Dave, but that's how I felt.)

Statistics: Posted by Connie — Sun Oct 19, 2014 1:04 pm


Posted: October 19, 2014, 6:11 pm
Steve wrote:
MGoBlue wrote:Point taken, Dave and Steve. And I had forgotten about the well known saying about why dog sleds are better than snowmobiles in the Arctic: You can't eat your snowmobile.

Dave, my hat's off to those three families for abiding by the principle of "eat what you kill." Another reason why I personally wouldn't shoot a wolf! ;)

Actually, I'm with the reverend on this one, "Good heavens!"


There are lots of places in the world, that canine meat is eaten as well as horse meat, here in the US, many seem to have a problem with eating those meats. There are some places I have been in the world, that I can't tell you what meat we had for dinner.

:o

Statistics: Posted by Dave Parker — Sun Oct 19, 2014 11:11 am


Posted: October 19, 2014, 4:11 pm
MGoBlue wrote:
Point taken, Dave and Steve. And I had forgotten about the well known saying about why dog sleds are better than snowmobiles in the Arctic: You can't eat your snowmobile.

Dave, my hat's off to those three families for abiding by the principle of "eat what you kill." Another reason why I personally wouldn't shoot a wolf! ;)

Actually, I'm with the reverend on this one, "Good heavens!"

Statistics: Posted by Steve — Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:11 am


Posted: October 19, 2014, 3:15 pm
Point taken, Dave and Steve. And I had forgotten about the well known saying about why dog sleds are better than snowmobiles in the Arctic: You can't eat your snowmobile.

Dave, my hat's off to those three families for abiding by the principle of "eat what you kill." Another reason why I personally wouldn't shoot a wolf! ;)

Statistics: Posted by MGoBlue — Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:15 am


Posted: October 19, 2014, 2:37 pm
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Statistics: Posted by Steve — Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:37 am


Posted: October 19, 2014, 1:59 pm
Very sad to hear about the shooting of another Yellowstone wolf or any wolf at all at least in my opinion. I am sure it won't be the last one to fall.

People hunt wolves because that is what they want to do. Doesn't matter what their reason is, a trophy mount, to destroy a competing predator, wolf meat for the freezer or just pure hatred. And the thing is people are always going to put their desires and needs over any and all other species. They just take what they want. There is no compromising in the human species. They want and take it all. They just cannot live in harmony with the other creatures they share the earth with. Hell, they can't live in harmony with their fellow humans. To me it is a very sad situation. A few good people go against the grain but in the long term it is a losing battle. Very depressing.

Statistics: Posted by Robert Bunch — Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:59 am


Posted: October 19, 2014, 3:41 am
Retired, I love wolves and would not hunt them myself, but I believe the main motivation for most people who do hunt them is that they believe wolves reduce the numbers of deer, elk, etc. (I think it's hard to argue against that notion.) They believe killing wolves reduces competition, providing humans with better hunting for ungulates, which is what they really care about.

I can't imagine anyone eating a wolf, but they wouldn't be left to rot by anyone whom I would consider a hunter. They are skinned and mounted.

I don't think there would be much resistance to the concept of a no-wolf-hunting zone around the perimeter of Yellowstone/GTNP if it weren't for the fact that a lot of people (hunters, guides, outfitters, entire communities) want there to be good elk hunting in that area.

Statistics: Posted by MGoBlue — Sat Oct 18, 2014 8:41 pm


Posted: October 19, 2014, 3:33 am
Retired,

I know 11 different people who have taken wolves legally in the state of Montana, all of them have full body mounts of the wolves and I know three families that have butchered the wolves and have turned them into roasts. As far as hunting wolves, this subject has been discussed at great length in the past on here and numerous other blogs and websites and just as any other wildlife, wolves are legal game animals once they leave the Park, the lines are drawn, just as they are with deer, elk, moose, sheep. I seriously doubt you will ever see the park expanded to included a buffer zone around the park. There are no buffer zones around any National park in the country and with the current trends, in the future there might not be any federal lands outside of the national parks!

Statistics: Posted by Dave Parker — Sat Oct 18, 2014 8:33 pm


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