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Posted: December 19, 2014, 1:27 am
No problem, Let us all in free. I can live with that. I'm not disputing any facts in your last post. If you say that is the case where you live then that is the case. Here in my area kids wear $150 sneakers as they show their free school lunch cards. Parents take courses on how to take advantage of all the government hand out programs instead of courses to learn a trade. Single moms have child after child not even concerned about who their fathers are, and yes, you and I are footing the bill. These same people take vacations to Disney World. Do you think they should admitted free to YNP. The problem is each family can't be judged at the gate on how hard they work for their money. Some work their butts off as I have and some sit on their butts and take government handouts. Do we just check their shoes? I'm for dropping all entrance fees. At least then someone who doesn't work is not getting in free while others that work longs weeks have to pay. Maybe a donation system would work. The people that feel the government is using their tax dollars wisely could make a donation. I bet that jar would be light.

Statistics: Posted by larryrainey — Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:27 pm

Posted: December 19, 2014, 12:45 am
With all due respect Larry paying anything at all makes it unequal because among many things $25 is a HUGE amount of money to most of the Hispanic families here in Teton County. They make up half the population and IMO are the hardest working ethnicity here but get paid relative peanuts. The only way entrance can be equal is if the parents of every child do not have to choose between a day on their public lands or a day or more's worth of groceries for the whole family. JMO but grounded in the sad facts of economic reality. While the wealth gap narrows in places like Mexico it is sadly growing all to much here.

Statistics: Posted by JohnnyB — Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:45 pm

Posted: December 19, 2014, 12:29 am
I agree, equality, that's is the statement I started my post with. Everyone should pay the same. As for folks in the area loving our foreign visitors would they be as loved if money was not being made off of them. I think not. I was speaking as a visitor not a vendor. As a visitor to EVERY national park in the US and several in Canada most of the travel groups I have crossed paths with have been loud and disruptive and made my visit to a beautiful place less than it would have been. I was actually asked to move in the Grand Canyon from a viewpoint that I was photographing so this particular tour could get a group shot. I know they still get a laugh out of me in the back row in their photo. I'm not anti foreign as much as I am anti tour bus. JMO

Statistics: Posted by larryrainey — Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:29 pm

Posted: December 18, 2014, 1:22 pm
What developed nations are we pouring "tax dollars" into? Beyond that rhetorical question china owns trillions in our treasuries largely because of this President's predecessor's policies.

With all due respect blaming foreign tourists on buses and not the tour companies is like trying to make illegal immigrants pariahs while the corporations drawing them here only get an occasional and utterly symbolic slap on the wrist.

Other than tipping not being part of Asian culture working in the hospitality industry in this region I know European travelers are much loved here. If it were not for them many area workers would be furloughed at Labor Day instead of Columbus Day.

Again, I'll respectfully disagree with you on this one and suggest again that when it comes to our public lands we should live up to our creed and embrace equality.

Statistics: Posted by JohnnyB — Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:22 am

Posted: December 16, 2014, 5:30 pm
Connie, it's almost impossible to determine the actual source of the pneumonia. When a wild bighorn co-mingles with domestic sheep, then that's, usually, a recipe for disaster. At the same time, a lone bighorn ram can travel quite a distance, meet some local domestic sheep along the way and then return to the herd, bringing back the sickness. Last year, one of our local rams left the herd and was, reportedly, seen almost 30 miles away. And there were sheep ranches along the way. Not sure whatever happened to it. In any event, once a bighorn contracts pneumonia, it generally dies within a couple weeks. The big question then becomes whether or not the pneumonia was spread to the other members of the herd since it's highly contagious. The bighorns are pretty chummy with each other, especially, during the breeding season. That's why it's so very important for everyone in the area to listen and report any coughing that they hear. The bighorns in the Gardiner area have been plagued with bouts of pneumonia in recent years. When I saw them earlier this year, they looked pretty thin and scrawny to me compared to the ones in our local herd. As a result, I think the health of the herd in the Gardiner area is probably more than just a bit fragile and can't fend off illness very well. Heck, I had pneumonia as a kid, ended up in the hospital right before Christmas and had two relapses after I got home. As long as I stay away from people, I'm OK and stay healthy. But the minute I come in contact with someone who has the flu or a cold, I get it.

Statistics: Posted by yellvet — Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:30 am

Posted: December 16, 2014, 5:42 am
Oh, I hate to hear this. Wonder if domestic sheep brought in by anti-wildlife locals contributed to this outbreak.

Statistics: Posted by Connie — Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:42 pm

Posted: December 16, 2014, 3:15 am
I just read a MT FWP news release dated today about an outbreak of pneumonia that has just hit the Upper Yellowstone bighorn sheep herd in the Gardiner area. Ten sheep have been discovered dead in the past two weeks. This is a very serious situation because pneumonia can kill off an entire herd if the sick sheep aren't culled from the herd.

If you're watching or taking pix of the bighorns in the Gardiner area, please keep your distance and listen for any coughing. If you hear a sheep coughing or see one dead, please call the Region 3 headquarters ASAP at 406-994-4042. Many thanks for your help. Here's the link to the FWP news release: ... _0713.html

I've been monitoring and taking pix of the Stillwater Bighorn Sheep for the past two weeks. You can see the pix at my Flickr site at the below link. No head crunching yet but I'm happy to report that I haven't heard any coughing. So far, so good.

Statistics: Posted by yellvet — Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:15 pm

Posted: December 14, 2014, 10:41 pm
Don't take me wrong, and my apology from other post carries over to here, but I feel we should all be treated the same on entry fees. The foreign travelers do spend money where they travel. Over the years the ones I have talked with have told me that they can vacation in "America" cheaper than they can travel at home. It is probably only my way of thinking but I guess it does bother me that the parks are getting so crowded and a BIG part of this crowd are BUS LOADS of foreigners who tell me how much cheaper they can travel here. Meanwhile I am camping in my modest camper and the Great Lodges of the National Parks and Canadian Rockies are filled with these travelers. The American government is pouring our tax dollars in these foreign countries but they get in free while I pay. Doesn't seem right. I know you are a back country guy so imagine when you pulled up at the trailhead and five bus loads of hikers were there, being extremely loud, breaking every rule written in English and absolutely turning the paradise you often describe here into something very un special. I guess the answer is to keep on retreating and just give up our national treasures.

Statistics: Posted by larryrainey — Sun Dec 14, 2014 3:41 pm

Posted: December 14, 2014, 10:19 pm

We actually pump trillions into our own economy but given I didn't say we didn't pump money into our own economy at all I'm not sure what you're trying to say? You think that your personal paranoia of world travel should factor into if not "justify" charging foreign visitors to enter our public lands?

Wherever they come from people that come to our area pay taxes in many different forms. Airport fees, ticket sales taxes, car rentals, all the merchandise they buy, most of the food they eat, the lodging they procure...

As to my tax bracket I am actually pretty far down the line. I must confess I'm always surprised to see folks that are apparently against excessive if not all taxation don't complain about the tax of public lands entry when it funds such an incredibly small percentage of an existing budget? Why is it these "conservatives" complain quite vocally about taxes on wealthier individuals and corporations but never on lower income American payrolls or the entrance taxes we pay to get onto more and more of our public lands? Admittedly those are of course rhetorical questions.

Statistics: Posted by JohnnyB — Sun Dec 14, 2014 3:19 pm

Posted: December 14, 2014, 8:29 pm
And Americans don't pump millions into our economy. Really Johnny? What tax bracket are you in? Is it really safe to travel abroad and see all these wonderful sites? Not anymore, too many terrorists!

Statistics: Posted by larryrainey — Sun Dec 14, 2014 1:29 pm

Posted: December 14, 2014, 2:01 am
"What about the out of country visitors?"

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that *ALL* men are created equal..."

IMO given the French don't charge a fee to enter places like the Cathedral of Notre Dame, the English don't charge one to enter Westminster Abbey, etc, it shows incredibly poor form for us to charge entrance fees to them for entering our arguably greatest national treasures. World travelers pay an incredible amount of tax just to get here and then spend the billions of dollars they inject into our economy. A few tumultuous years aside Great Britain is as great a friend this country has ever had. If not for General Lafayette we would not have survived those tumultuous years. Freedom only rings when it rings for everyone.

Statistics: Posted by JohnnyB — Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:01 pm

Posted: December 14, 2014, 12:43 am
JohnnyB wrote:
The move afoot to charge access to not only National Park but also Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management Lands is IMO unAmerican to put it as kindly as possible. As long as one let alone millions of children are priced off our public lands there is no"benefit of all."

What about the out of country visitors?

Statistics: Posted by atw527 — Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:43 pm

Posted: December 13, 2014, 11:00 pm
In 2011 the NPS collected $173,000,000 in entrance fees, less than 6% of their annual budget. At $25 the extant weekly entrance fee represents a day or more's groceries to millions of struggling American families. When a single F22 costs well in excess of $350,000,000 and gubernatorial candidate Sarah Palin could support a $398,000,000 bridge to nowhere before flip flopping as a Vice Presidential nominee I think we can ELIMINATE entrance fees. The fact she kept $223,000,000 allocated for the bridge for other projects was IMO not only hypocritical but despicable.

Anything less than free entry access has got to have Roosevelt, Muir, Leopold, etc., rolling in their proverbial graves. Before someone counters there are free entry days and weekends with all due respect I think the less fortunate among us deserve far more respect than "allowing" them to crowd into our landscape treasures all at once for "free."

The move afoot to charge access to not only National Park but also Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management Lands is IMO unAmerican to put it as kindly as possible. As long as one let alone millions of children are priced off our public lands there is no"benefit of all."

Inequality is running rampant in what we purport to be a free society. If nowhere else let children and families be equal when it comes to public lands access.

"Think! It's very patriotic!" Especially when done critically and with a semblance of decency.

Statistics: Posted by JohnnyB — Sat Dec 13, 2014 4:00 pm

Posted: December 7, 2014, 4:06 am
I harvested an elk in the park this week. Opportunities to hunt cows are fairly limited in northwest Wyoming and the GTNP hunt is a good option for a meat hunter like me. I'm thankful for this meat that will feed my family in 2015.

Statistics: Posted by Woolly the Mammoth — Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:06 pm

Posted: December 6, 2014, 2:44 pm
Typical Biff. Surprised he is not in the Tetons laying in the road like the recent protesters in Mizzou.

Statistics: Posted by larryrainey — Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:44 am

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