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Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: WY Lawmaking in the news again...

Just got off the phone with Yellowstone law enforcement. This new Wyoming law, according to Yellowstone LEO, does NOT impact visitors to either Yellowstone or the Grand Tetons or any other federally owned land. Federal law supersedes state law in this case and Wyoming cannot make a law that makes anything illegal (or legal, for that matter) on federal land without the approval of the federal government. This is and always had been much ado about nothing. As I stated previously, it is intended to keep folks from trespassing onto private or public (but not federal) land, to illegally collect data.

And for final clarification, the entire content of the law that was passed and signed can be found here:

legisweb.state.wy.us/2015/Session%20Laws.pdf

This is a compilation, by the Wyoming government, of all of the laws passed during the most recent session. It is appropriately titled "SESSION LAWS OF THE STATE OF WYOMING PASSED BY THE SIXTY-THIRD LEGISLATURE 2015 GENERAL SESSION". Please see page 507 for this specific law.

Statistics: Posted by HannahsDad — Sat May 23, 2015 6:22 am


Author: HannahsDad
Posted: May 23, 2015, 1:22 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: YNP Seeking Public Comment on poisoning Soda Butte Creek

They have used in several of our smaller lakes around here to re-establish native fish populations with virtually no peripheral damages to other wildlife, it is pretty safe when it comes to mammals and birds. It is always interesting seeing them treat a creek as there is really no way to know exactly where all of the non-native fish are, they have had to treat creeks two or three times in our area to get as many of the non-natives as possible before re-introducing the native fish for that system.

Statistics: Posted by Dave Parker — Fri May 22, 2015 10:40 am


Author: Dave Parker
Posted: May 22, 2015, 5:40 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: YNP Seeking Public Comment on poisoning Soda Butte Creek

As long as it wouldn't poison the non-fish wildlife, it sounds good.
Wouldn't even effect animals such as beavers or otters that live in the water?

Statistics: Posted by RikWriter — Fri May 22, 2015 9:55 am


Author: RikWriter
Posted: May 22, 2015, 4:55 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: YNP Seeking Public Comment on poisoning Soda Butte Creek

RikWriter wrote:
What effects would this have on all the other wildlife?


For a fish, it would suck... :o
This stuff is very selective for gilled creatures. Some smaller invertebrates can be affected as well but it has been used widely since the 1930's. Wildlife that eats dead fish could get sick but not from the Rotenone, but rather the effects of eating rotten fish. I have no problem with situations as proposed, but wouldn't want it available to any Tom, Dick, Cliven or Bill.

Statistics: Posted by Colorado_Dave — Fri May 22, 2015 8:20 am


Author: Colorado_Dave
Posted: May 22, 2015, 3:20 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: YNP Seeking Public Comment on poisoning Soda Butte Creek

What effects would this have on all the other wildlife?

Statistics: Posted by RikWriter — Fri May 22, 2015 8:02 am


Author: RikWriter
Posted: May 22, 2015, 3:02 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • YNP Seeking Public Comment on poisoning Soda Butte Creek

Trying to eliminate non-native Brook Trout that would compete/predate a reintroduced Cutthroat Trout population. I urge you to take 1 minute to support this proposal in commentary due by June 13 at this site:

http://fwp.mt.gov/news/publicNotices/environmentalAssessments/conservation/pn_0026.html


Ladies and Gentlemen: A draft Environmental Assessment (EA) has been prepared for the proposed removal of nonnative eastern brook trout and hybridized cutthroat trout from the Soda Butte Creek Drainage near Cook City Montana to protect the Lamar River Drainage in Yellowstone National Park from invasion by these species, and to provide a secure area for establishing a population of nonhybridized Yellowstone cutthroat trout in a major drainage to the Lamar River. This will be a joint project involving Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks, Wyoming Game and Fish, the Shoshone and Gallatin/Custer National Forests, and Yellowstone National Park. It is proposed to use chemical treatment to remove the existing fish population from Soda Butte Creek then restock the stream with pure Yellowstone cutthroat trout from the best available source. This EA can be viewed on the FWP website (http://fwp.mt.gov) under Public Notices. If you would like a copy mailed to you please contact the Region 5 headquarters at (406) 247-2940. Two public meeting to discuss this project will be held in Livingston on May 18th at the Yellowstone Pioneer Lodge (old Best Western), and in Cooke City on May 27th at the Chamber of Commerce conference room. Any questions about this project should be directed to Jason Rhoten (328-6160), or Ken Frazer (247-2961). Comments should be addressed to the undersigned by June 13, 2015.

Statistics: Posted by Colorado_Dave — Fri May 22, 2015 7:50 am


Author: Colorado_Dave
Posted: May 22, 2015, 2:50 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: WY Lawmaking in the news again...

HannahsDad wrote:
I think folks should read the actual bill first, before passing judgment. I did. Unless I missed something, it only references "private" land, not public. It appears to be intended to limit collection of data, illegally taken from private land, in court cases. Link to it is here legisweb.state.wy.us/2015/bills/SF0012.pdf. The article cited seems to have "accidentally" omitted the word "private" when referring to open land. This simply clarifies that data collected on private land, without the owners permission, is not legal and not acceptable as evidence in court cases. I'm pretty sure that photographers on truly "public" land are safe.....


That's the original version. The amended bill that became law defines open land as "land outside the exterior boundaries of any incorporated city, town, subdivision or development."

Read the final version here: http://legisweb.state.wy.us/2015/Enroll/SF0012.pdf

Statistics: Posted by Woolly the Mammoth — Thu May 21, 2015 9:25 pm


Author: Woolly the Mammoth
Posted: May 22, 2015, 4:25 am

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: WY Lawmaking in the news again...

HannahsDad Wrote:


I think folks should read the actual bill first, before passing judgment. I did. Unless I missed something, it only references "private" land, not public. It appears to be intended to limit collection of data, illegally taken from private land, in court cases. Link to it is here legisweb.state.wy.us/2015/bills/SF0012.pdf. The article cited seems to have "accidentally" omitted the word "private" when referring to open land. This simply clarifies that data collected on private land, without the owners permission, is not legal and not acceptable as evidence in court cases. I'm pretty sure that photographers on truly "public" land are safe....


Thanks for this sane and reasonable observation.

If the bill truly did include public lands (as some continue to claim) I would have to conclude that the bill is a purely political response. Maybe the right wing whack jobs are shaking the tree to see how many left wing whack jobs fall out. Judging from the number of links and associated comments this is working well!

Regardless of some left wing law professor’s interpretation (Justin Pidot) I predict that no one will be prosecuted or busted for violating this law, unless they are on private land.

Statistics: Posted by zeaper2 — Tue May 19, 2015 8:23 am


Author: zeaper2
Posted: May 19, 2015, 3:23 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: WY Lawmaking in the news again...

zeaper2 wrote:
Vince Wrote:

Because some people have something to hide, and some other ones would have to act.
That is the whole republican approach to environment: Do not talk about it, do not search about it, do no invest on it, the problem does not exist.
Ostrich attitude.


On the other hand perhaps it is a response to radical environmentalism. Think of the Preble's Meadow Jumping Mouse.



so trying to understand or stop a threat is radical?
The NASA fund for Global Warming research is radical?
Scientists from Florida talking about water level rising is radical?

I think what is radical is to try to deny it by stopping research and discussion about it.

Statistics: Posted by Vince — Tue May 19, 2015 6:26 am


Author: Vince
Posted: May 19, 2015, 1:26 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: WY Lawmaking in the news again...

I think folks should read the actual bill first, before passing judgment. I did. Unless I missed something, it only references "private" land, not public. It appears to be intended to limit collection of data, illegally taken from private land, in court cases. Link to it is here legisweb.state.wy.us/2015/bills/SF0012.pdf. The article cited seems to have "accidentally" omitted the word "private" when referring to open land. This simply clarifies that data collected on private land, without the owners permission, is not legal and not acceptable as evidence in court cases. I'm pretty sure that photographers on truly "public" land are safe.....

Statistics: Posted by HannahsDad — Mon May 18, 2015 4:09 pm


Author: HannahsDad
Posted: May 18, 2015, 11:09 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Fall @ Canyon

Shaping up to be quite a bad year already... but on the plus side, everyone has been very lucky so far too.



According to staff on scene, the man was extremely lucky. The crevice and the angle of his body during the fall helped the man stop at the top of a 200 foot drop. A fall just inches to the left may have resulted in a fatality as the canyon wall is mostly steep loose rock.


http://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/news/15030.htm

Statistics: Posted by Steve in the Library — Mon May 18, 2015 11:45 am


Author: Steve in the Library
Posted: May 18, 2015, 6:45 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: WY Lawmaking in the news again...

Vince Wrote:


Because some people have something to hide, and some other ones would have to act.
That is the whole republican approach to environment: Do not talk about it, do not search about it, do no invest on it, the problem does not exist.
Ostrich attitude.


On the other hand perhaps it is a response to radical environmentalism. Think of the Preble's Meadow Jumping Mouse.

Statistics: Posted by zeaper2 — Mon May 18, 2015 11:26 am


Author: zeaper2
Posted: May 18, 2015, 6:26 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: WY Lawmaking in the news again...

atw527 wrote:
I don't understand the point of this law. What is the official reasoning as to why sharing information with gov't agencies is bad?



Because some people have something to hide, and some other ones would have to act.
That is the whole republican approach to environment: Do not talk about it, do not search about it, do no invest on it, the problem does not exist.
Ostrich attitude.

Statistics: Posted by Vince — Mon May 18, 2015 6:48 am


Author: Vince
Posted: May 18, 2015, 1:48 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: Bear Jam Video including some tense moments

Connie, that's great.
Of course, I suppose the Bad Bridge Bears were looking for more victims
She seems to be doing a bit of roaming this year.

Statistics: Posted by lah — Sat May 16, 2015 6:52 pm


Author: lah
Posted: May 17, 2015, 1:52 am

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: Bear Jam Video including some tense moments

I'm in the park now. Other visitors told me Rosey and Cubs crossed the bridge again around noon without incident.

Statistics: Posted by Connie — Sat May 16, 2015 5:26 pm


Author: Connie
Posted: May 17, 2015, 12:26 am

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