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Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: Lummis river paddling bill back in Congress

Well written article...
http://www.jhnewsandguide.com/opinion/columnists/the_new_west_todd_wilkinson/packrafters-agenda-irks-friends-of-y-stone/article_2dfecd89-f2f1-5cd4-a5ac-461abcd985f2.html#user-comment-area


They have tens of thousands of spectacular runnable river miles available to them on public lands, to which I and many others say, “Good on them, go for it.”
And yet a small group of mostly Jackson Hole packrafters insists upon making a personal conquest out of Yellowstone National Park.
To exact revenge against Yellowstone Superintendent Dan Wenk, who rejected their demand to overturn a historic paddling ban on park rivers, they went to Congresswoman Cynthia Lummis, a Wyoming Republican who has racked up one of the worst environmental voting records on Capitol Hill.

Statistics: Posted by Colorado_Dave — Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:56 am


Author: Colorado_Dave
Posted: August 26, 2015, 5:56 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Public comment period - Grand Canyon area

There have been several closures of trails and overlooks in the Grand Canyon area in the past two years and I'm sure many of you have noticed the deteriorating condition of the trails, steps and other infrastructure in the area.

The National Park Service has opened a period of public comment on their plans to rehabilitate much of the visitor accommodations along the Canyon rim.

http://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/news/15057.htm

There are plans posted in pdf format for the proposed projects.

http://parkplanning.nps.gov/document.cf ... ntID=67895

Statistics: Posted by BlackDragonsCaldron — Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:20 pm


Author: BlackDragonsCaldron
Posted: August 22, 2015, 4:20 am

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: GPS Tracking for Grizzly Bears Near YNP Populated Areas

Though its line if sight, by adjusting the volume and gain on the receiver, you can get a fairly good idea as to how close the collar is on non-GPS collars. But you'd have to triangulate to get some kind of general location, and out in Yellowstone, that might be a monumental task (no roads from which to rapidly obtain the signal from, from at least three different directions). Radio-tracking in this fashion requires a lot of time and is generally not feasible.

The GPS collars are nice as they can record the collar's location as many times over a 24-hour period as programmed (the larger the collar, the more options are available) for up to a year or more (again, the larger the collar ..........). The data can even be remotely downloaded to a smart phone (distance is, again, based on the collar size) and then all the recorded points mapped to show where and when the collar was at any given time. But, as was indicated previously, these collars are not cheap!

Statistics: Posted by NJMike — Sat Aug 15, 2015 5:10 pm


Author: NJMike
Posted: August 16, 2015, 12:10 am

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: GPS Tracking for Grizzly Bears Near YNP Populated Areas

Personally,

I don't want to know where the bears are all of the time, part of the excitement of visiting Yellowstone, Glacier and other parks is the unknown things that we don't encounter in our everyday life, if we are going to collar so we know at any given time where a bear, wolf or moose is, then there is no reason to visit the parks, we can sit on our computer at home and look the information up, I guess though they could develop an app for that!

:o

Statistics: Posted by Dave Parker — Sat Aug 15, 2015 4:04 pm


Author: Dave Parker
Posted: August 15, 2015, 11:04 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: GPS Tracking for Grizzly Bears Near YNP Populated Areas

schillingmike wrote:
Thanks for the additional info on the wildlife collars which added to my meager knowledge. I have only been exposed to a radio collar once while on a Wolf tour this past spring in Sunlight Basin so don't know a lot about them. My understanding is that the radio collars are line of sight signals and are more limited in distance due to terrain. Satellite GPS signals overcome the distance and terrain limitations, but are more expensive which is probably a big consideration to a limited NPS budget. Also there is the consideration of periodically trapping, sedating and renewing the battery life every 1-3 years on a bear's collar no matter whether it is radio or GPS. While no system is infallible or inexpensive, I am just trying to envision a better future for bears that frequent populated areas in YNP and people who hike. There certainly is a cost to doing the minimum or nothing though to improve the situation.
Mike

Hey Mike,

I totally get where you are going with your question and I don't disagree with you. Ideally if you could have all the roadside bears on a GPS location, you'd know what trails might be problem areas. However, I think if you REALLY knew where all the bears were in regards to where you are on trails... every trail would be closed and many people wouldn't hike. Just speculation here, but I think most hikers get closer to bears without knowing it than they ever dream of.

In part, it is a budgetary thing. Plus, tranquilizing/trapping all the bears would inherently stress them. Older bears may not survive the process so there would be unnecessary deaths. There is actually a mortality rate when it comes to that whole process (even with healthy/young animals) to consider. In fact, the very first wolf that they tried to dart and capture to relocate to YNP for the reintroduction took the dart in a bad spot and was actually killed by it.

You are correct on the regular collars are more line of sight on their signals. And depending on topography there can be a signal "bounce" off of hills/mountains that will give false directional locations. And they don't give you distance, but direction. So on a clear line of sight, you'd get a similar signal on a collar at 200 yds or 2 miles.

Dan

Statistics: Posted by DanS — Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:43 pm


Author: DanS
Posted: August 15, 2015, 10:43 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: Superintendent Dan Wenk - Bear closures - 9 mile

DanS wrote:
schillingmike wrote:Does anyone know how many hikers the 9 Mile Trail typically gets during the year?

9 mile is the only access in park, from the eastside of the lake to the thoroughfare area. It's not busy for dayhikers, but it is for horses headed south for long backcountry trips. So it would be tough for them to have it closed for stretches of time. Also many of these type of trips go in at South Boundary and expect to come out via 9-mile a week later. If you're in the backcountry for a week you won't even know that's closed until you get to the east shore of the lake probably so that could be a real issue for a horsepacking trip.


Dan,
I would certainly agree with you in regard to the horse packing trips, unless you have riders like myself going through there! :lol:
Mike

Statistics: Posted by schillingmike — Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:12 pm


Author: schillingmike
Posted: August 15, 2015, 9:12 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: GPS Tracking for Grizzly Bears Near YNP Populated Areas

DanS wrote:
schillingmike,

The regular radio collars you see on many animals in YNP run somewhere between $500-1000 each. The GPS collars don't necessarily last as long and they cost $5k each. So they really get picky as to when to use those. It's expensive business to collar animals and putting GPS collars on them is worse. There aren't many animals collared with GPS trackers.


Dan,
Thanks for the additional info on the wildlife collars which added to my meager knowledge. I have only been exposed to a radio collar once while on a Wolf tour this past spring in Sunlight Basin so don't know a lot about them. My understanding is that the radio collars are line of sight signals and are more limited in distance due to terrain. Satellite GPS signals overcome the distance and terrain limitations, but are more expensive which is probably a big consideration to a limited NPS budget. Also there is the consideration of periodically trapping, sedating and renewing the battery life every 1-3 years on a bear's collar no matter whether it is radio or GPS. While no system is infallible or inexpensive, I am just trying to envision a better future for bears that frequent populated areas in YNP and people who hike. There certainly is a cost to doing the minimum or nothing though to improve the situation.
Mike

Statistics: Posted by schillingmike — Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:02 pm


Author: schillingmike
Posted: August 15, 2015, 9:02 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: A BIG what if

Dave Parker wrote:
Agreed Dan.

Yup, I see validity to both points.

You're just looking at it from the big picture, scientific viewpoint of those working as a whole towards grizzly recovery/population health. Rik is looking at it more from the emotional/individual visitor with an attachment to a specific animal that they have seen regularly over time.

I tend to lean towards the scientific/big picture side myself. But I've been on both sides of this and understand the attachment to a specific animal. I've had that attachment to specific critters before, but I just rarely do anymore.

Statistics: Posted by DanS — Sat Aug 15, 2015 1:39 pm


Author: DanS
Posted: August 15, 2015, 8:39 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: A BIG what if

Agreed Dan.

Statistics: Posted by Dave Parker — Sat Aug 15, 2015 12:30 pm


Author: Dave Parker
Posted: August 15, 2015, 7:30 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: A BIG what if

Rik/Dave,

I'd say you both have valid points here, but are circling yourselves on this one.

Statistics: Posted by DanS — Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:49 am


Author: DanS
Posted: August 15, 2015, 6:49 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: Superintendent Dan Wenk - Bear closures - 9 mile

schillingmike wrote:
Does anyone know how many hikers the 9 Mile Trail typically gets during the year?

9 mile is the only access in park, from the eastside of the lake to the thoroughfare area. It's not busy for dayhikers, but it is for horses headed south for long backcountry trips. So it would be tough for them to have it closed for stretches of time. Also many of these type of trips go in at South Boundary and expect to come out via 9-mile a week later. If you're in the backcountry for a week you won't even know that's closed until you get to the east shore of the lake probably so that could be a real issue for a horsepacking trip.

Statistics: Posted by DanS — Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:45 am


Author: DanS
Posted: August 15, 2015, 6:45 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: GPS Tracking for Grizzly Bears Near YNP Populated Areas

schillingmike wrote:
I was surprised to learn per the Jackson Daily News that the 15-20 year old female grizzly Blaze did not have a GPS Tracking Collar. For bears that frequent inhabited areas in Yellowstone such as Lake Village, it seems to me that a GPS tracking collar would significantly assist park rangers in knowing where these bears are and how to deal with them, such as closing trails and alerting people in the area. This may be an issue involving available manpower and equipment resources to monitor these bears on an ongoing basis.

schillingmike,

The regular radio collars you see on many animals in YNP run somewhere between $500-1000 each. The GPS collars don't necessarily last as long and they cost $5k each. So they really get picky as to when to use those. It's expensive business to collar animals and putting GPS collars on them is worse. There aren't many animals collared with GPS trackers.

Statistics: Posted by DanS — Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:38 am


Author: DanS
Posted: August 15, 2015, 6:38 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: A BIG what if

Dave Parker wrote:
RikWriter wrote:Yeah, that's what's important to NPS biologists. It's a shame you can't understand why the identity of the bear is important to other people. I guess other people besides NPS employees just don't count, huh?


Well Rik,

I am sorry you don't seem to understand, there is a bigger picture to look at than the identity of the bear to those who wish to personalize it. many people are working real hard to recover the species.



And you think those people pull their money from thin air?

Statistics: Posted by RikWriter — Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:17 am


Author: RikWriter
Posted: August 15, 2015, 6:17 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • GPS Tracking for Grizzly Bears Near YNP Populated Areas

I was surprised to learn per the Jackson Daily News that the 15-20 year old female grizzly Blaze did not have a GPS Tracking Collar. For bears that frequent inhabited areas in Yellowstone such as Lake Village, it seems to me that a GPS tracking collar would significantly assist park rangers in knowing where these bears are and how to deal with them, such as closing trails and alerting people in the area. This may be an issue involving available manpower and equipment resources to monitor these bears on an ongoing basis.

Statistics: Posted by schillingmike — Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:10 am


Author: schillingmike
Posted: August 15, 2015, 6:10 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: A BIG what if

RikWriter wrote:
Yeah, that's what's important to NPS biologists. It's a shame you can't understand why the identity of the bear is important to other people. I guess other people besides NPS employees just don't count, huh?


Well Rik,

I am sorry you don't seem to understand, there is a bigger picture to look at than the identity of the bear to those who wish to personalize it. many people are working real hard to recover the species.

Statistics: Posted by Dave Parker — Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:52 am


Author: Dave Parker
Posted: August 15, 2015, 5:52 pm

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