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Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: 399's cub hit by vehicle

We've all heard of boar grizzlies and black bears trying to kill cubs in order to drive the female back into estrus so the boar can mate with them. There is a possibility this could happen with 399. Mating season is May into July so fingers crossed she can produce another cub after this tragic accident.

Bill

Statistics: Posted by wguss — Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:36 am


Author: wguss
Posted: June 23, 2016, 1:36 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: 399's cub hit by vehicle

Alicia wrote:
My heart is aching with this news. I'm choosing to believe that the driver was unaware.


Regarding bear fertility, will 399 be viable for a mate which could produce cubs in 2017? Anyone know?


Was wondering the same thing. Breeding season is winding down, but there are reports of a boar following her.

Statistics: Posted by Hayden Valley Girl — Wed Jun 22, 2016 12:16 pm


Author: Hayden Valley Girl
Posted: June 22, 2016, 7:16 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: 399's cub hit by vehicle

The typical reproductive cycle is 3 years for a grizzly bear but ranges from 2-5 years. 2 years is not uncommon but 1 year is uncommon. An event like this could cause a rare exception, but the age of this sow makes that seem unlikely in my opinion.

Statistics: Posted by Colorado_Dave — Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:14 am


Author: Colorado_Dave
Posted: June 22, 2016, 5:14 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: 399's cub hit by vehicle

My heart is aching with this news. I'm choosing to believe that the driver was unaware.


Regarding bear fertility, will 399 be viable for a mate which could produce cubs in 2017? Anyone know?

Statistics: Posted by Alicia — Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:26 pm


Author: Alicia
Posted: June 22, 2016, 5:26 am

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: 399's cub hit by vehicle

Colorado_Dave wrote:
Not sure how she knows how the mother bear carried the cub off the road as stated but if Deby Dixon says so, it may or may not be true...

She read it in the GTNP press release

Statistics: Posted by Steve — Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:35 pm


Author: Steve
Posted: June 22, 2016, 3:35 am

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: 399's cub hit by vehicle

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Not sure how she knows how the mother bear carried the cub off the road as stated but if Deby Dixon says so, it may or may not be true...

Statistics: Posted by Colorado_Dave — Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:11 pm


Author: Colorado_Dave
Posted: June 22, 2016, 3:11 am

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: 399's cub hit by vehicle

Thanks for the back story Hayden Valley Girl, got a good laugh, don't care if it's verifiable, funny as all get out.

Statistics: Posted by guang — Tue Jun 21, 2016 7:15 pm


Author: guang
Posted: June 22, 2016, 2:15 am

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: Fear and Respect in Yellowstone

Much as I want to disagree with it, I think Rik is on the right track. Not that I think anyone wants to see the Parks priced out of the reach of many citizens, but there is a breaking point. I'd really like to keep it for the benefit and enjoyment of the people but the way it's going now, there won't' be a whole lot left to enjoy in the near future.
We all have our stories...I've had a tour bus stop in front me, very near Hellroaring where it's difficult to go around due to limited view, and let out each passenger to look down into the valley. Had another stop right next to three Grizzly COY when the sow had crossed the Gibbon and they were holed up on a rock too scared to cross. I'm thinking being surrounded by a bunch of short Asian people shoving point and shoots into their faces isn't very comforting.
While the build up to present day levels has come over time, it does seem to have taken a massive leap over the last couple years. I can recall May, 3 years ago, just myself and one or two others watching Hobo eat an elk calf right next to the road near Nez Perce picnic area. Not now.
So far as raising fees, I don't hold great hope. The parks finally got a chance to raise fees after xx years only a couple years ago. The public comment period, for those parks expressing interest in raising entrance fees, was brutal.
And they sought all of $5.

I've advocated for a mandatory video to be shown at entrance stations. I know there's costs associated with it and likely, logistically, it's never going to happen.
But people obviously are not learning from others mistakes.

Statistics: Posted by rwarrin — Tue Jun 21, 2016 7:11 pm


Author: rwarrin
Posted: June 22, 2016, 2:11 am

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: Fear and Respect in Yellowstone

I hope you still get to see some cubs (and I bet you will). The story about 399's cub is heartbreaking. I didn't even mention speeding motorists in the piece, but of course that's another huge problem. (A friend who works at Yosemite tells me that last year alone, 34 bears were hit by cars in that park.)

Statistics: Posted by noahcomet — Tue Jun 21, 2016 5:39 pm


Author: noahcomet
Posted: June 22, 2016, 12:39 am

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: 399's cub hit by vehicle

In this particular area, there were flashing signs reading something like "Slow Down. Bear and Wolf Crossing Area". We saw them while there a couple of weeks ago.

Statistics: Posted by Connie — Tue Jun 21, 2016 5:17 pm


Author: Connie
Posted: June 22, 2016, 12:17 am

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: 399's cub hit by vehicle

toddp wrote:
I'm saddened to hear that people weren't paying attention.


In general, why do so many people place blame on the person driving the vehicle automatically? Animals do run out in front of vehicles with the driver having no chance to avoid it.


I admit that there are some times when you can't help hitting wildlife, no matter how carefully you're driving. But I did know this was a national park and you are supposed to report it when you hit an animal, so I figured in some way the driver probably either didn't notice (not paying attention) or felt to be somewhat (if not more than somewhat) at fault, and so didn't report it. So I made an assumption and you're right, it could be very wrong.

However, if this happened around Pilgrim Creek Road, the speed limit is 45 on the paved road and what, 25?, on the gravel road? If you're obeying the limit and being careful if it's dark, you should at least REALIZE you hit and animal and do the best you can to let the appropriate people know.

Overall, just a very sad happening, and hopefully all drivers will be a bit more careful as they drive -- that would hopefully help the wildlife, and the drivers, be safer (I know I would feel awful if I hit something anyway, especially in a national park).

Statistics: Posted by Dorothy — Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:15 pm


Author: Dorothy
Posted: June 21, 2016, 7:15 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: 399's cub hit by vehicle

guang wrote:
Thank You for the link BearInTheWild. Always good to see the WAPO quoting local famous photographer and wildlife expert.



Funny they did not post what she put on her page about Pilgrim Creek Rd. being closed, but she hiked in anyway to harass the grieving mother bear that she was so concerned about. Don't know if it's factual or not, but it's being reported she was also escorted out of the area by rangers.
RIP little cub. Hopefully people will let 399 grieve in peace.

Statistics: Posted by Hayden Valley Girl — Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:12 pm


Author: Hayden Valley Girl
Posted: June 21, 2016, 7:12 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: 399's cub hit by vehicle

Gee, wonder how many people know that bit of information.

Statistics: Posted by toddp — Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:47 am


Author: toddp
Posted: June 21, 2016, 5:47 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: 399's cub hit by vehicle

toddp wrote:
Does a driver need to report it?
If someone hits a deer, and their vehicle is minimally damaged and drivable does it require reporting?


I didn't think so until I read this in one of the PRs of the incident:


The circumstances preceding the incidents are unknown as the motorists did not stop or report the incident in either case. Motorists are reminded that any collisions with wildlife must be reported as soon as possible to Teton Interagency Dispatch Center at 307.739.3301.

Statistics: Posted by atw527 — Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:22 am


Author: atw527
Posted: June 21, 2016, 5:22 pm

Yellowstone Related News and Politics • Re: 399's cub hit by vehicle

Does a driver need to report it?
If someone hits a deer, and their vehicle is minimally damaged and drivable does it require reporting?

Statistics: Posted by toddp — Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:16 am


Author: toddp
Posted: June 21, 2016, 5:16 pm

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